{"id":3008,"date":"2018-10-13T17:18:12","date_gmt":"2018-10-13T15:18:12","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/regions-snetap-fsu.fr\/pdl\/?p=3008"},"modified":"2018-10-30T17:27:23","modified_gmt":"2018-10-30T16:27:23","slug":"le-snetap-fsu-rencontre-un-representant-de-la-dger-a-brette-les-pins-et-porte-les-preoccupations-des-collegues","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/regions-snetap-fsu.fr\/pdl\/2018\/10\/13\/le-snetap-fsu-rencontre-un-representant-de-la-dger-a-brette-les-pins-et-porte-les-preoccupations-des-collegues\/","title":{"rendered":"Le SNETAP-FSU rencontre un repr\u00e9sentant de la DGER \u00e0 Brette les Pins et porte les pr\u00e9occupations des coll\u00e8gues !"},"content":{"rendered":"<p align=\"justify\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;\">Vendredi 12 octobre 2018, \u00e0 l&rsquo;occasion du 70<sup>e<\/sup> anniversaire du lyc\u00e9e agricole de Brette les Pins et de la venue en r\u00e9gion d&rsquo;un repr\u00e9sentant de la DGER, une d\u00e9l\u00e9gation r\u00e9gionale (Isabelle Arnal, \u00c9ric Astier\u00a0: section de Brette-les-Pins\u00a0; C\u00e9cile Breton\u00a0: section de Montreuil-Bellay\u00a0; Isabelle Couturier, Nathalie Gasnier, Caroline Robert\u00a0: section de Rouillon) a rencontr\u00e9 <b>Monsieur <\/b><b>H. Amiot-Chanal, sous-directeur de la DGER bureau \u00c9tablissements, Dotation et comp\u00e9tences<\/b> accompagn\u00e9 de P. Nenon, chef du SRFD des Pays de la Loire.<\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\"><img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-3015 size-medium\" src=\"https:\/\/regions-snetap-fsu.fr\/pdl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2018\/10\/IMG_5987-e1540916673771-225x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"225\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/regions-snetap-fsu.fr\/pdl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2018\/10\/IMG_5987-e1540916673771-225x300.jpg 225w, https:\/\/regions-snetap-fsu.fr\/pdl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2018\/10\/IMG_5987-e1540916673771-100x133.jpg 100w, https:\/\/regions-snetap-fsu.fr\/pdl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2018\/10\/IMG_5987-e1540916673771-150x200.jpg 150w, https:\/\/regions-snetap-fsu.fr\/pdl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2018\/10\/IMG_5987-e1540916673771-200x267.jpg 200w, https:\/\/regions-snetap-fsu.fr\/pdl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2018\/10\/IMG_5987-e1540916673771-300x400.jpg 300w, https:\/\/regions-snetap-fsu.fr\/pdl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2018\/10\/IMG_5987-e1540916673771-450x600.jpg 450w, https:\/\/regions-snetap-fsu.fr\/pdl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2018\/10\/IMG_5987-e1540916673771.jpg 480w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 225px) 100vw, 225px\" \/> <img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-3012\" src=\"https:\/\/regions-snetap-fsu.fr\/pdl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2018\/10\/IMG_5988-300x225.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"286\" height=\"214\" srcset=\"https:\/\/regions-snetap-fsu.fr\/pdl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2018\/10\/IMG_5988-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/regions-snetap-fsu.fr\/pdl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2018\/10\/IMG_5988-100x75.jpg 100w, https:\/\/regions-snetap-fsu.fr\/pdl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2018\/10\/IMG_5988-150x113.jpg 150w, https:\/\/regions-snetap-fsu.fr\/pdl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2018\/10\/IMG_5988-200x150.jpg 200w, https:\/\/regions-snetap-fsu.fr\/pdl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2018\/10\/IMG_5988-450x338.jpg 450w, https:\/\/regions-snetap-fsu.fr\/pdl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2018\/10\/IMG_5988-600x450.jpg 600w, https:\/\/regions-snetap-fsu.fr\/pdl\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2018\/10\/IMG_5988.jpg 640w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 286px) 100vw, 286px\" \/><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;\">Nous avons abord\u00e9 de nombreux points lors de cet \u00e9change. Il s&rsquo;agissait notamment\u00a0: des AESH, de la DGH r\u00e9gionale et des options, de la question du poste administratif \u00e0 Rouillon\u00a0; de la demande ouverture CAP SAPVER \u00e0 Brette les Pins et enfin de la demande de la section de Nantes que M. Tronco honore sa promesse de rencontre avec les coll\u00e8gues concernant la fermeture de la classe de seconde.<\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\"><!--more--><\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;\">M. Amiot-Chanal a d\u00e9but\u00e9 l&rsquo;audience en rappelant qu&rsquo;il n&rsquo;occupait ses fonctions que depuis 40 jours et qu&rsquo;il connaissait peu les dossiers mais qu&rsquo;il prenait des notes et nous ferait un retour.<\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;\">Nous avons commenc\u00e9 par la question des <b>AESH<\/b> en demandant une<b> instruction claire de la DGER cadrant pr\u00e9cis\u00e9ment les missions des AESH autour des t\u00e2ches d&rsquo;inclusio<\/b>n des \u00e9l\u00e8ves \u00e0 besoin particulier. <\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;\">Nous avons d\u00e9nonc\u00e9 la volont\u00e9 \u00ab\u00a0occupationnelle\u00a0\u00bb de certains directeurs en rappelant que l&rsquo;augmentation de la quotit\u00e9 de travail du fait de la mise en conformit\u00e9 des contrats avec la loi (minimum 39 semaines) permettait \u00e0 ces personnels souvent en temps partiel, peu r\u00e9mun\u00e9r\u00e9s, d&rsquo;avoir une reconnaissance financi\u00e8re du travail invisible effectu\u00e9 (concertation avec les \u00e9quipes, pr\u00e9paration de supports, \u00e9changes informels avec les \u00e9l\u00e8ves et leur famille, etc\u00a0.). Nous avons demand\u00e9 aussi \u00e0 ce que l&#8217;employeur soit directement le minist\u00e8re et non les directions des EPL (comme cela a \u00e9t\u00e9 le cas pour les ACEN). Nous avons demand\u00e9 que les employeurs mettent en \u0153uvre une formation pour les agents (\u00e0 hauteur minimale des 60 heures pr\u00e9vues) afin qu&rsquo;ils ou elles puissent se professionnaliser et envisager un avenir dans leur emploi. Nous avons exig\u00e9 une \u00e9quit\u00e9 de traitement pour les AESH en expliquant que dans les trois \u00e9tablissements repr\u00e9sent\u00e9s lors de l&rsquo;audience, trois pratiques diff\u00e9rentes \u00e9taient observ\u00e9es d&rsquo;o\u00f9 l&rsquo;exigence d&rsquo;un cadre national clair. Des vade-mecum r\u00e9alis\u00e9s par l&rsquo;\u00c9ducation nationale pr\u00e9cisent les <b>t\u00e2ches \u00e0 proscrire<\/b> pour les temps o\u00f9 l&rsquo;\u00e9l\u00e8ve accompagn\u00e9\u00b7e n&rsquo;est pas pr\u00e9sent\u00b7e (p\u00e9riodes de stage notamment)\u00a0: administratives, mission de surveillance de groupe, d&rsquo;accompagnement de sortie, de suivi d&rsquo;\u00e9l\u00e8ves non notifi\u00e9\u00b7e\u00b7s par la MDPH. <\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;\">M. Amiot-Chanal a r\u00e9pondu que la question de la \u00ab\u00a0doctrine d&#8217;emploi\u00a0\u00bb des AESH n&rsquo;\u00e9tait pas directement de sa comp\u00e9tence. Il a eu vent dans les bureaux de la DGER qu&rsquo;un document \u00e9tait en pr\u00e9paration \u00e0 ce sujet. Nous avons rappel\u00e9 le caract\u00e8re urgent de notre demande puisque les contrats et les emplois du temps des personnels sont r\u00e9alis\u00e9s.<\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;\">M. Nenon a indiqu\u00e9 qu&rsquo;une consigne avait \u00e9t\u00e9 donn\u00e9e \u00e0 la rentr\u00e9e par la DGER aux r\u00e9gions et que le SRFD avait transmis aux \u00e9tablissements. Force est de constater que cela ne suffit pas puisque dans les trois \u00e9tablissements repr\u00e9sent\u00e9s lors de l&rsquo;audience, trois pratiques diff\u00e9rentes existent.<\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;\">Concernant la <b>DGH<\/b>, nous avons demand\u00e9 une remise \u00e0 plat de la dotation car le calcul de base ne correspond plus \u00e0 la r\u00e9alit\u00e9 des besoins et les demandes de r\u00e9duction de DGH mettent en difficult\u00e9 les \u00e9quipes et la qualit\u00e9 du service rendu aux familles. Nous avons insist\u00e9 sur l&rsquo;<b>impossibilit\u00e9 de proposer des options facultatives<\/b> et la baisse d&rsquo;attractivit\u00e9 de l&rsquo;enseignement agricole que cela entra\u00eene.<\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;\">M. Amiot-Chanal a r\u00e9pondu que la sous-direction avait engag\u00e9 une expertise pour calculer les moyens, notamment avec le logiciel Guepard. Nous avons rappel\u00e9 le point de vigilance exerc\u00e9 par le Snetap-FSU sur l&rsquo;\u00e9tablissement des fiches de service et la non prise en compte des p\u00e9riodes de stages sur la scolarit\u00e9 qui fait \u00ab\u00a0\u00e9conomiser\u00a0\u00bb des heures et menace \u00e0 terme des emplois de coll\u00e8gues.<\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;\">Concernant les options, M. Nenon a indiqu\u00e9 la r\u00e8gle d&rsquo;attribution d\u00e9cid\u00e9e\u00a0: 1\u00a0% de la DGH r\u00e9gionale \u00e0 r\u00e9partir entre les \u00e9tablissements. Cette r\u00e8gle, purement comptable, \u00e9mane de l&rsquo;observation que certaines r\u00e9gions \u00ab\u00a0d\u00e9passent\u00a0\u00bb de 2\u00a0%, d&rsquo;autres de 0,5\u00a0%, donc en faisant la moyenne, cela fait 1\u00a0% pour toutes. Donc, certaines r\u00e9gions sont tr\u00e8s l\u00e9s\u00e9es (M. Amiot-Chanal a \u00e9voqu\u00e9 lui-m\u00eame le refus de cette situation par nos camarades de la R\u00e9gion Centre-Val de Loire). Sur les crit\u00e8res de r\u00e9partition, il est rest\u00e9 \u00e9vasif et a r\u00e9pondu que l&rsquo;existant serait prioritaire sur des demandes nouvelles. Peu de consid\u00e9ration encore pour la coh\u00e9rence p\u00e9dagogique et les projets de d\u00e9veloppement envisag\u00e9s.<\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;\">Concernant les moyens, nous avons port\u00e9 \u00e0 nouveau la demande d&rsquo;<b>ouverture d&rsquo;un poste d&rsquo;administratif \u00e0 Rouillon<\/b> en rappelant que l&rsquo;administration reconna\u00eet elle-m\u00eame le besoin, qu&rsquo;un vote au CA l&rsquo;a appuy\u00e9 et que les coll\u00e8gues \u00e9taient en surcharge insupportable.<\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;\">La section de Brette-les-Pins a \u00e9voqu\u00e9 la <b>demande d&rsquo;ouverture d&rsquo;un CA<\/b><b>PA<\/b><b> SAP<\/b><b>VER<\/b><b> <\/b>en rappelant la d\u00e9marche engag\u00e9e depuis trois ans, en coh\u00e9rence avec le public, les besoins du secteur et le projet p\u00e9dagogique. Demande port\u00e9e \u00e0 tous les \u00e9chelons, local, r\u00e9gional et national mais bloqu\u00e9e par la DGER. Le lyc\u00e9e voit des \u00e9l\u00e8ves d\u00e9crocher et partir alors que cette formation serait une solution efficace.<\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;\">La r\u00e9ponse de M. Amiot-Chanal a \u00e9t\u00e9 tr\u00e8s prudente dans la mesure o\u00f9 il a rappel\u00e9 qu&rsquo;il faisait avec les moyens vot\u00e9s par le Parlement et qu&rsquo;une ouverture n\u00e9cessite \u00e0 moyens constants des fermetures. Il a \u00e9voqu\u00e9 \u00e0 ce sujet la <b>question des seuils<\/b>, pour laquelle il m\u00e8ne une r\u00e9flexion, car selon lui cela emp\u00eache la souplesse car c&rsquo;est r\u00e9glementaire\u00a0: \u00e0 un \u00e9l\u00e8ve pr\u00e8s, les moyens varient \u00e9norm\u00e9ment (d\u00e9doublements) or on peut commencer l&rsquo;ann\u00e9e \u00e0 26 et retomber \u00e0 24 apr\u00e8s quelques jours. Donc s&rsquo;il n&rsquo;y avait pas les seuils, on h\u00e9siterait moins \u00e0 faire des ouvertures de classe.<\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;\">Nous avons rappel\u00e9 l&rsquo;importance de mettre l&rsquo;\u00e9l\u00e8ve au c\u0153ur de la r\u00e9flexion et donc de veiller aux conditions p\u00e9dagogiques. Si nous regrettons que l&rsquo;on nous impose des seuils de recrutement, ce qui nous fait refuser des \u00e9l\u00e8ves, nous maintenons l&rsquo;<b>importance des seuils de d\u00e9doublement<\/b> pour permettre un enseignement de qualit\u00e9.<\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;\">Enfin nous avons transmis la demande des coll\u00e8gues de Nantes\u00a0: M. Amiot-Chanal va transmettre \u00e0 M. Tronco la demande d&rsquo;audience.<\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"right\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;\">Pour la d\u00e9l\u00e9gation, <\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"right\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;\"><b>Isabelle COUTURIER<\/b>, <\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"right\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial, sans-serif;\">co-secr\u00e9taire de la section de l&rsquo;EPL de Rouillon (72)<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Vendredi 12 octobre 2018, \u00e0 l&rsquo;occasion du 70e anniversaire du lyc\u00e9e agricole de Brette les Pins et de la venue en r\u00e9gion d&rsquo;un repr\u00e9sentant de la DGER, une d\u00e9l\u00e9gation r\u00e9gionale (Isabelle Arnal, \u00c9ric Astier\u00a0: section de Brette-les-Pins\u00a0; C\u00e9cile Breton\u00a0: section de Montreuil-Bellay\u00a0; Isabelle Couturier, Nathalie Gasnier, Caroline Robert\u00a0: section de Rouillon) a rencontr\u00e9 Monsieur H. 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