{"id":3454,"date":"2023-10-08T01:35:12","date_gmt":"2023-10-07T23:35:12","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/regions-snetap-fsu.fr\/na\/?p=3454"},"modified":"2023-10-19T20:38:38","modified_gmt":"2023-10-19T18:38:38","slug":"formation-specialisee-f3sct-21-09-2023","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/regions-snetap-fsu.fr\/na\/2023\/10\/08\/formation-specialisee-f3sct-21-09-2023\/","title":{"rendered":"FORMATION SPECIALISEE F3SCT – 21 09 2023"},"content":{"rendered":"

La formation sp\u00e9cialis\u00e9e en mati\u00e8re de sant\u00e9, de s\u00e9curit\u00e9 et de conditions de travail (FS SST ou F3SCT) remplace depuis janvier 2023 le Comit\u00e9 d’hygi\u00e8ne, de s\u00e9curit\u00e9 et des conditions de travail (CHSCT). Elle se r\u00e9unissait pour la premi\u00e8re fois le 21 septembre dernier.<\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

\u00c9taient pr\u00e9sent.es pour le SNETAP-FSU : DUBOIS Lydie, RAFFOUR Diane, MAURAND Marie-Christelle, BOURHIS Laurent, PARODI Philippe, GODOT Alain, MORVAN Hugues (visio), BOUYROU France (visio), O-REILLY Caroline (visio)<\/span><\/p>\n

\u00c9taient pr\u00e9sent.es pour la DRAAF : GENIN B\u00e9n\u00e9dicte, REGONDAUD Fabienne, HERBRETEAU Dominique<\/span><\/p>\n

\u00c9taient pr\u00e9sent.es pour les OS\u00a0: MARQUES Maryline, MALLET Sabine, BRUN Nadine, VIAUD Pauline, LAPEYRE Patricia (visio).<\/span><\/p>\n

Secr\u00e9taire de s\u00e9ance : J\u00e9r\u00f4me BETOULLE – Charg\u00e9 du suivi des instances<\/span><\/p>\n

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    \u00c9lection du secr\u00e9taire et d\u00e9signation du \/ de la secr\u00e9taire adjoint<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n

    M. Alain GODOT est \u00e9lu \u00e0 l’unanimit\u00e9 par 10 voix. Il nomme Mme Marie-Christelle MAURAND adjointe.<\/span><\/p>\n

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      Formation des membres<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n

      3 jours et demi identiques pour FS et CSA :<\/span><\/p>\n

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        1 webinaire de lancement : 17 octobre 2023 de 9H \u00e0 12H (on pourra la voir en replay sur Mentor)<\/span><\/p>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n

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          Formation obligatoire 3 jours en 2024<\/span><\/p>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n

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            2 jours suppl\u00e9mentaires \u00e0 la demande des OS (sp\u00e9cial FS)<\/span><\/p>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n

            Formation obligatoire pour tous les membres, se fera sous convocation.<\/span><\/p>\n

            Le contenu de ces formations : R\u00e9glementation, gestion les instances, articulation COHS et FS, m\u00e9decine de pr\u00e9vention, intervenant.es en SST, r\u00f4le assistant.e pr\u00e9vention, \u00e9valuation des risques Pro, analyse d\u2019accident, technique d\u2019arbre des causes\u2026<\/span><\/p>\n

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              Les attributions de la FS<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n

              La formation sp\u00e9cialis\u00e9e est une \u00e9manation du CSAU REA et a quatre attributions de droit :<\/span><\/p>\n

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                Droit de visite et d\u2019acc\u00e8s<\/b> : pour investiguer les questions qui int\u00e9ressent tout ou partie des EPL\u00a0: sur une th\u00e9matique (nationale ou r\u00e9gionale : organisation du travail, charge du travail, les nouvelles technologies, les membres \u00e9valueront les risques professionnels et v\u00e9rifieront la pertinence des installations et CT existants\u2026. Recommandations plus larges pour les autres \u00e9tablissements : comparer les am\u00e9nagements par exemple. Utile pour faire des pr\u00e9conisations pour les autres EPL), le lieu, le groupe doit \u00eatre d\u00e9fini en FS. Il faut donc rapidement d\u00e9finir les th\u00e8mes qui seront support pour les visites d\u2019\u00e9tablissements. Attention : la FS ne fait pas de visite pour \u201cjuger\u201d, ni en aval d\u2019un probl\u00e8me remont\u00e9.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n

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                  Recours \u00e0 un expert certifi\u00e9 sur un sujet particulier.<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<\/li>\n

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                  Droit d\u2019alerte<\/b> : en cas de danger grave et imminent, qui met en jeu la s\u00e9curit\u00e9 et la sant\u00e9 des personnels. Th\u00e9oriquement tout membre de la Formation Sp\u00e9cialis\u00e9e peut faire une alerte pour danger grave et imminent.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n

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                    Traitement des accidents graves de service<\/b> : la FS est inform\u00e9e de l\u2019accident et fait remonter par l\u2019interm\u00e9diaire de la CoHS : partage d\u2019exp\u00e9rience et relai vers les \u00e9tablissement (recommandations…)<\/span><\/p>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n

                    Le registre droit d\u2019alerte :\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

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                      D\u00e9finition du danger grave :…..<\/span><\/p>\n<\/li>\n

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                      \u00a0attention on ne doit pas y mettre qu\u2019un agent exerce un droit de retrait.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n

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                        Calendrier<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n

                        La FS se nourrit des actions des CoHS :\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

                        Programme annuel de la pr\u00e9vention des risques qui doit \u00eatre soumis pour avis \u00e0 la CoHS. S\u2019il y a eu un accident grave dans l’\u00e9tablissement : la CoHS s\u2019\u00e9rige en groupe de travail et son compte rendu doit \u00eatre soumis pour avis \u00e0 la CoHS,<\/span><\/p>\n

                        Ne remontent \u00e0 la FS que les \u00e9l\u00e9ments de la formation pl\u00e9ni\u00e8re, pas des \u00e9l\u00e9ments de la formation restreinte des conditions de travail. Les avis de la CoHS (accident grave, le rapport annuel, le rapport CoHS). On n\u2019analyse pas les conditions de travail d\u2019un EPL, on ne r\u00e8gle pas les probl\u00e8mes en FS, c\u2019est la CoHS, on fait remonter. D\u00e9bats…<\/span><\/p>\n

                        Les nouvelles CoHS ne se sont pas encore r\u00e9unies. Elles se r\u00e9uniront avant la fin de l\u2019ann\u00e9e (\u00e9lections en cours). En\u00a0F\u00e9vrier se tiendront des r\u00e9unions sur les \u00e9l\u00e9ments probants qui seront remont\u00e9s des CoHS et mis \u00e0 disposition sur une plateforme en amont de la FS. Le\u00a0CSA U se r\u00e9unira ensuite au mois de juin.\u00a0En rythme \u201chabituel\u201d la FS devrait se r\u00e9unir en septembre et juin<\/span><\/p>\n

                        Le registre droit d\u2019alerte : la FS doit mettre en place un registre pour capitaliser les droits d\u2019alerte (faire un registre sp\u00e9cifique). L’id\u00e9e est que cela soit renvoy\u00e9 \u00e0 l\u2019ensemble des \u00e9tablissements. Les modalit\u00e9s ne sont pas encore \u00e9tablies. Le d\u00e9cret ne pr\u00e9voit plus le registre ancien, un registre est pr\u00e9vu (CSA comp\u00e9tent), chaque directeur d\u2019EPL doit g\u00e9rer le danger grave et imminent, seuls les membres de la formation sp\u00e9cialis\u00e9 peuvent \u00e9crire dans le nouveau registre. Le texte dit que c\u2019est le pr\u00e9sident de la FS qui re\u00e7oit les \u00e9crits. Attention il faut revoir ce registre<\/span><\/p>\n

                        La Formation sp\u00e9cialis\u00e9e doit maintenant r\u00e9fl\u00e9chir aux sujets de visites pour en d\u00e9terminer les th\u00e8mes.<\/span><\/p>\n

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                          Cellule de veille<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n

                          En berne depuis fin 2022, il n\u2019y a plus de fondement juridique pour cette cellule de veille. C’est un vide juridique. Dans ce contexte que deviennent les pr\u00e9conisations de la cellule d\u2019\u00e9coute ? puis de l\u2019action du directeur r\u00e9gional qui en d\u00e9coule ?<\/span><\/p>\n

                          Au niveau national, depuis 2014, le Minist\u00e8re propose tous les ans un appel \u00e0 projet pour lutter contre risques psycho sociaux.<\/span><\/p>\n

                          Il y a une volont\u00e9 de la DRAAF NA de travailler sur la possibilit\u00e9 de mettre en place des cellules de veille et d’\u00e9coute, mais il faut maintenant les \u00e9valuer car toutes les r\u00e9gions ne les ont pas mises en place et leur fonctionnement est tr\u00e8s diff\u00e9rent d\u2019une r\u00e9gion \u00e0 l\u2019autre.<\/span><\/p>\n

                          Un trin\u00f4me est mis en place pour cette \u00e9valuation des cellules (Agn\u00e8s Nardot, Peggy Lapeyre, Aude Villemette). Trois cellules ont \u00e9t\u00e9 choisies (Val de Loire, Auvergne Rh\u00f4ne Alpes et Nouvelle-Aquitaine) parmi celles qui fonctionnent toujours (dont Nouvelle Aquitaine : Odile Villemette). Il y a eu une prise de contact avec des \u00e9coutant.es…<\/span><\/p>\n

                          Un premier bilan sera fait au mois d\u2019octobre avec l\u2019universit\u00e9 d\u2019Auvergne.<\/span><\/p>\n

                          Pour le moment : les 3 \u00e9valuations montrent que les fonctionnements et les formations d\u2019\u00e9coutant.es sont compl\u00e8tement disparates ainsi que la formation des \u00e9coutant.es. Pour les personnes \u00e9cout\u00e9es, \u00e7a a l\u2019air de fonctionner. Mais il n\u2019y a pas de traces ni de bilans de ces \u00e9coutes, pas de compte rendu. Quelles traces d\u2019\u00e9coute est demand\u00e9e car la CE ne doit pas diffuser certaines informations ?<\/span><\/p>\n

                          Pour la DRAAF, ces remont\u00e9es sont souvent de l\u2019ordre du contradictoire et elle ne peut pas faire grand-chose. Elle propose donc que la cellule d\u2019\u00e9coute fasse des recommandations et fasse elle m\u00eame son \u00e9valuation contradictoire.<\/span><\/p>\n

                          Elle voudrait que la FS d\u00e9signe plusieurs personnes (3 ou 4) pour poser le fonctionnement de la cellule d\u2019\u00e9coute : ne pas forc\u00e9ment poser des recommandations pas forc\u00e9ment applicables mais poser des alertes.<\/span><\/p>\n

                          Est ce qu\u2019elle \u00e9coute ou est-ce qu\u2019elle recommande ? Si elle recommande, par quels processus ? C\u2019est quoi \u00eatre \u00e9coutant ? Quelle plus value de la cellule d\u2019\u00e9coute par rapport \u00e0 d\u2019autres dispositifs ?<\/span><\/p>\n

                          La DRAAF propose une r\u00e9union rapidement pour \u00e9voquer l\u2019ensemble de ces questions. <\/span><\/p>\n

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                            M\u00e9decine de pr\u00e9vention<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n

                            Une convention est sign\u00e9e pour mettre en place une m\u00e9decine de pr\u00e9vention en lien avec l\u2019unit\u00e9 de Poitiers pour trouver un organisme qui permettrait de conventionner la m\u00e9decine de pr\u00e9vention. Les 15 nouveaux postes de m\u00e9decin de pr\u00e9vention sont ouverts sans candidat.es en Nouvelle-Aquitaine. Il y a un probl\u00e8me de recrutement.<\/span><\/p>\n

                            La DRAAF rappelle que la FS ne traite pas de situation individuelle.<\/span><\/p>\n

                            La COHS est parfois d\u00e9pass\u00e9e, et ce sont d\u2019autres outils qui doivent servir pour les r\u00e9soudre, pas la F3S (comme la formation restreinte), la F3S doit traiter les probl\u00e9matiques des \u00e9tablissements.<\/span><\/p>\n

                            Une des missions de la F3S on pourrait s\u2019interroger sur les instances existantes qui ne sont pas efficaces et des formations \u00e0 \u00e9tablir pour ces repr\u00e9sentants (COHS, formations sp\u00e9cialis\u00e9es).<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

                            La formation sp\u00e9cialis\u00e9e en mati\u00e8re de sant\u00e9, de s\u00e9curit\u00e9 et de conditions de travail (FS SST ou F3SCT) remplace depuis janvier 2023 le Comit\u00e9 d’hygi\u00e8ne, de s\u00e9curit\u00e9 et des conditions de travail (CHSCT). 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